Rosetta and Android

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[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1994 Credit: 9,623,704 RAC: 9,591	Message 80645 - Posted: 14 Sep 2016, 18:39:33 UTC - in response to Message 80644. It is true that the android devices are typically 10x slower than the std desktop cpus and there is a high rate of error likely due to memory issues and preemption. Good vibrations.... :-P We already have over 200,000 registered android devices which is almost greater than linux and mac combined. But 200000:10 are 20000 pcs (A single gpu, for example, can crunch as 100 smartphones) ID: 80645 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

David E K Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project scientist Send message Joined: 1 Jul 05 Posts: 1018 Credit: 4,334,829 RAC: 0	Message 80646 - Posted: 14 Sep 2016, 19:03:54 UTC - in response to Message 80645. It is true that the android devices are typically 10x slower than the std desktop cpus and there is a high rate of error likely due to memory issues and preemption. Good vibrations.... :-P We already have over 200,000 registered android devices which is almost greater than linux and mac combined. But 200000:10 are 20000 pcs (A single gpu, for example, can crunch as 100 smartphones) I must note the high rate of error is not general. It is device specific. Some devices like Samsung seem to work well with Rosetta. There is a wide variety of devices and vendors that use customized versions of android and hardware configurations that may or may not play well with Rosetta. Hopefully this will improve in the future as will the processing speed and memory. ID: 80646 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Alessio Susi Send message Joined: 7 Mar 15 Posts: 23 Credit: 1,019,089 RAC: 0	Message 80647 - Posted: 14 Sep 2016, 20:37:51 UTC - in response to Message 80573. Last modified: 14 Sep 2016, 20:40:02 UTC Rosetta on android continues, for me, to be a waste of time and resources A waste of time and resources is a smartphone that stays 8-10 hours in charge, during the night, without BOINC. I have 2 smartphones (and one with an Intel Atom CPU but not compatible with the Rosetta app), 2 tablets, 2 Android mini PCs and I'm going to buy other 2. I really care about this project. Now they're running World Community Grid but I'd prefer to run R@H. ASUS X570 E-Gaming AMD Ryzen 9 3950X, 16 core / 32 thread 4.4 GHz AMD Radeon Sapphire RX 480 4GB Nitro+ Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti Gaming X Trio 4x16 GB Corsair Vengeance RGB 3466 MHz ID: 80647 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1994 Credit: 9,623,704 RAC: 9,591	Message 80648 - Posted: 14 Sep 2016, 20:44:58 UTC - in response to Message 80646. Hopefully this will improve in the future as will the processing speed and memory. Hopefully....in the future....maybe... SSEx/Avx extensions, for example, are here NOW 64-bit computing, other example, is here NOW ID: 80648 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1994 Credit: 9,623,704 RAC: 9,591	Message 80649 - Posted: 14 Sep 2016, 20:54:56 UTC - in response to Message 80647. Last modified: 14 Sep 2016, 20:56:34 UTC A waste of time and resources is a smartphone that stays 8-10 hours in charge, during the night, without BOINC. I don't think it's a waste of time at the end. With specific code and optimized apps, smartphones are good for crunch (WCG or astronomical projects). Rosetta's team has to re-write large part of the code to have a "good" app on android (or continue to wait the future for better arm cpu, hopefully). Rj5 said that with little changes we can have optimized app on cpu with computational increase (before other deep optimizations). Why not to start with these? ID: 80649 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2125 Credit: 41,228,659 RAC: 10,982	Message 80650 - Posted: 14 Sep 2016, 21:51:23 UTC - in response to Message 80640. http://wuprop.boinc-af.org/show_host_detail.php?hostid=99949 This is a Samsung Galaxy S7 There is so much power in the top smartphones of this year Yeph! But, what cost? 700 euros/dollars? 800? With this money I can buy a pc (with Intel I5/Amd A10) that literally outclasses S7 phone. With that money I get the phone plus free internet and calls (inc int'l EU roaming) for 2 entire years and only pay for it monthly over that time ID: 80650 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1994 Credit: 9,623,704 RAC: 9,591	Message 80664 - Posted: 21 Sep 2016, 14:26:18 UTC - in response to Message 80650. With that money I get the phone plus free internet and calls (inc int'l EU roaming) for 2 entire years and only pay for it monthly over that time I'm agree. And with that money i get a core I7 (8 thread) with an Amd Rx470 (for opencl gpgpu). So, please, optimize the code. :-) ID: 80664 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

WhiteWulfe Send message Joined: 7 Oct 14 Posts: 12 Credit: 1,433,163 RAC: 0	Message 80695 - Posted: 2 Oct 2016, 0:40:15 UTC So.... How goes the availability of Android work units? ID: 80695 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2125 Credit: 41,228,659 RAC: 10,982	Message 80888 - Posted: 6 Dec 2016, 4:00:41 UTC Whisper it quietly, but Android tasks turned up two days ago. And the credits are... err... blimey... ID: 80888 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

mmonnin Send message Joined: 2 Jun 16 Posts: 59 Credit: 24,222,307 RAC: 83,030	Message 80889 - Posted: 6 Dec 2016, 15:24:02 UTC Yep I started getting some. Points on this project are already fairly low for CPUs, Android work can only be much lower. ID: 80889 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2125 Credit: 41,228,659 RAC: 10,982	Message 80890 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 1:19:41 UTC - in response to Message 80889. Yep I started getting some. Points on this project are already fairly low for CPUs, Android work can only be much lower. Quite the opposite. Claimed credit ~180, granted ~500 - double and treble what I get for my desktops and laptop. Not that I'm complaining, you understand... ID: 80890 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

zeleftikam Send message Joined: 25 Sep 10 Posts: 2 Credit: 18,464,798 RAC: 0	Message 80892 - Posted: 8 Dec 2016, 20:41:38 UTC What is the status of BOINC on Android today? The BOINC app says "Nothing to do... waiting for tasks." I have a whole bunch of 8-core tablets ready to go. Gimme work. ID: 80892 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1994 Credit: 9,623,704 RAC: 9,591	Message 80896 - Posted: 10 Dec 2016, 10:07:24 UTC - in response to Message 80892. I have a whole bunch of 8-core tablets ready to go. Gimme work. Goes on Ralph, there is a consistent android queue with new app version... ID: 80896 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

äxl Send message Joined: 30 Dec 08 Posts: 11 Credit: 497,080 RAC: 0	Message 81069 - Posted: 20 Jan 2017, 14:58:10 UTC Last modified: 20 Jan 2017, 15:00:08 UTC I used to start WUs on my phone but since they're more needy than WorldCommunityGrid I only run these. Now on my desktop PC I stopped Rosetta WUs because it seems to clutter requesting Lattice WUs. These are really rare and so it happens that my server runs out of WUs altogether. When I again allow new tasks from Rosetta the event log says: Fri 20 Jan 2017 15:39:09 CET \| rosetta@home \| work fetch resumed by user Fri 20 Jan 2017 15:39:09 CET \| rosetta@home \| update requested by user Fri 20 Jan 2017 15:39:10 CET \| rosetta@home \| Sending scheduler request: Requested by user. Fri 20 Jan 2017 15:39:10 CET \| rosetta@home \| Requesting new tasks for CPU Fri 20 Jan 2017 15:39:13 CET \| rosetta@home \| Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks Fri 20 Jan 2017 15:39:13 CET \| rosetta@home \| No work sent Fri 20 Jan 2017 15:39:13 CET \| rosetta@home \| Rosetta Mini for Android is not available for your type of computer. Why is that? On my AMD64 desktop PC! My phone is not active here anymore: Last time contacted server 27 Jul 2016 21:41:27 UTC Running BOINC because: 1) I'm using 100% green energy (no certificates or other non-sense) 2) My computer runs mostly anyway (due to BT and other non-sense) 3) To help ID: 81069 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1994 Credit: 9,623,704 RAC: 9,591	Message 81070 - Posted: 20 Jan 2017, 16:56:54 UTC - in response to Message 81069. Last modified: 20 Jan 2017, 16:58:34 UTC Fri 20 Jan 2017 15:39:10 CET \| rosetta@home \| Requesting new tasks for CPU Fri 20 Jan 2017 15:39:13 CET \| rosetta@home \| Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks Fri 20 Jan 2017 15:39:13 CET \| rosetta@home \| No work sent Fri 20 Jan 2017 15:39:13 CET \| rosetta@home \| Rosetta Mini for Android is not available for your type of computer. Please, read other thread Rosetta Mini for Android. And here, some benchmarks for new (3.77 in test on Ralph) app for android. Not at all encouraging. ID: 81070 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

äxl Send message Joined: 30 Dec 08 Posts: 11 Credit: 497,080 RAC: 0	Message 81073 - Posted: 21 Jan 2017, 11:38:07 UTC - in response to Message 81070. Please, read other thread Rosetta Mini for Android. TYVM for that. I wanted to rate your post positively but that didn't work out. ID: 81073 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1994 Credit: 9,623,704 RAC: 9,591	Message 81291 - Posted: 10 Mar 2017, 20:15:10 UTC Last modified: 10 Mar 2017, 20:19:25 UTC New Visual Studio 17 has a lot of improvements, including new version of c#, a preliminary support for c++17 and a complete support to write code for Android/ios/WinMobile (Xamarin)... https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/cplusplus-mdd/ https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/debugging-and-diagnostics/ https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/testing-tools/ ID: 81291 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

lionkingsmom Send message Joined: 18 Jan 18 Posts: 2 Credit: 0 RAC: 0	Message 88101 - Posted: 18 Jan 2018, 15:45:14 UTC can i use this on le s3 x626 ID: 88101 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Trotador Send message Joined: 30 May 09 Posts: 108 Credit: 291,214,977 RAC: 1	Message 88112 - Posted: 19 Jan 2018, 16:10:53 UTC Yes, you can. Better to point a fan on the phone to ensure good refrigeration. ID: 88112 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1994 Credit: 9,623,704 RAC: 9,591	Message 88121 - Posted: 20 Jan 2018, 7:04:07 UTC - in response to Message 88101. can i use this on le s3 x626 To have some valuable results, imho, you have to start with an S5 ID: 88121 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote